In this episode, we try to find out who's really responsible for the murder of Ilse Wagner and her family. Is it Reinhard Heydrich, the nazi whom Hitler called 'The man with the iron heart'? 

We try to get into contact with the boy who lived in the same house as Ilse, in the last months before she was taken away. And finally, finally, we hear his story. What would he still know about Ilse?

And we travel to Sobibór in the east of Poland, where Ilse and 34.000 other Dutch Jews were gassed. A new museum was bult on that spot. And: strangely enough a tangible memory of Ilse is found at Sobibór!

The podcast 'Erased' is an Audiodroom Podcast Production, made in the Netherlands. Production: Richard Grootbod and Patty-Lou Middel-Leenheer. Advice and fact-check: Aline Pennewaard and Janny van der Molen. Music: Mark Lobenstein. Audio and studio support: Gijs Friesen and Marc Reitsma. 

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