Join us in the new HNK in Amsterdam where Herman and Wisse sit down with Anders Munk Jepsen, the visionary CEO at NORNORM. Dive into Anders' remarkable journey through the ranks of Accenture and IKEA, where 14 years amidst Swedish innovation sparked his Danish ingenuity to reimagine the workplace with his co-founder through a circular lens.

We talk with Anders about: 
- Circular and flexible workplaces
- The paradigm shift in circular business models 
- The journey from mass consumption to responsible impact
- Being courageous when others are confused
- Marying patience with the urge to change now

We're navigating a world brimming with false prophets of the future. The truth? It's all about embracing the unknown and mastering adaptability. Tune in to uncover how Anders champions this philosophy to steer the helm of change in today's business world.